Published by The Black World Foundation, San Francisco, 1984
Manuscript / Paper Collectible
Pamphlet. 72p., stapled wraps, 7x10 inches, wraps worn, address label on front wrap, staples rusted, pages evenly toned else good condition.
Published by The Black World Foundation, San Francisco, 2005
Magazine / Periodical
Magazine. 72p., stapled wraps, 7x10 inches, address label and some soiling on rear wrap, else very good condition.
Published by The Black World Foundation, Oakland, 1998
Magazine / Periodical
Magazine. 68p., staplebound wraps, pen notation and small stain on front wrap, top corner dog-eared, address label on rear wrap, else good condition.
Published by The Black World Foundation, Oakland, 1990
Magazine / Periodical
Magazine. 64p., staplebound journal, address label on front wrap, pages evenly toned, else very good condition.
Published by The Black World Foundation, Oakland, 1993
Magazine / Periodical
Magazine. 72., stapled wraps, 7x10 inches, wraps lightly worn, pages evenly toned, address label on rear wrap else good condition.
Published by The Black World Foundation, Oakland, 1993
Magazine / Periodical
Magazine. 72., stapled wraps, 7x10 inches, wraps worn, pages evenly toned, address label on rear wrap else good condition.
Published by The Black World Foundation, Oakland, 1987
Magazine / Periodical
64p., stapled wraps, 7 x 10 inches, wraps worn, pages evenly toned, address label on front wrap, bottom corner of front wrap dog-eared else good condition.
Published by The Black World Foundation, Oakland, 1994
Magazine / Periodical
56., stapled wraps, 7 x 10 inches, wraps worn, pages evenly toned, address label on rear wrap else good condition.
Published by The Black World Foundation, San Francisco, 2006
Magazine / Periodical
Magazine. 64p., stapled glossy wraps, 7x10 inches, hi-liting on verso of rear wrap else very good condition. Focus of this issue is "Rosa Parks and Harold Cruse: Black Activists and Intellectuals".
Published by The Black World Foundation, Oakland, 2002
Magazine / Periodical
Magazine. 68p., stapled glossy wraps, 7 x 10 inches, lightly worn else very good condition.
Published by The Black World Foundation, Oakland, 2002
Magazine / Periodical
64p., stapled glossy wraps, 7 x 10 inches, lightly worn, sticker on rear wrap else very good condition. Articles include "Statement of Congresswoman Barbara Lee on Opposing the Use of Force Resolution", "9/11, Liberation Struggles and International Relations: Sharing the Burden and Possibilites of the Crisis" and more.
Published by The Black World Foundation, San Francisco, Ca., 1977
Seller: Second Site Books, Chicago, IL, U.S.A.
Soft cover. Condition: Very Good. Very Good condition.
Published by The Black World Foundation, San Francisco, 2005
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. 64p., address label on rear wrap else very good in stapled wraps. Focus of this issue is "The faces of Cuban culture".
Published by The Black World Foundation,, Sausalito. Ca, 1973
Seller: David Gaines, Eureka, CA, U.S.A.
First Edition
Soft cover. Condition: Very Good. First Edition. Wraps (PB) in very good condition with very light cover wear and faint ink mark top front cover. Feature article by Joanne Chesimard and others on"Black Police In America" , "De Mau Mau Myth In America" and others. 64 pages.
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, San Francisco, CA, 1985
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Very Good. 1st Edition. A left-stapled magazine containing 64 internal pages. Special Issue on the U.S. Anti-Apartheid Upsurge. The contents are: Constructive Disengagement: U.S. Sanctions Against South Africa by Sanford Wright; Divestment Hits Apartheid in the Pocketbook by Vincent Harris; South Africa: A Story in Black and White by Imafedia Okhamafe; The Depiction of South Africa in U.S. Textbooks by Brenda Randolph-Robinson; South Africa: A Selected Bibliography of Recent Works by Rosemary Stevenson; Southern Africa Resource List; An Interview with Randall Robinson - The State of the U.S. Anti-Apartheid Movement by Clarence Lusane; Expanding the Horizons of the U.S. Anti-Apartheid Movement by Prexy Nesbitt; Commentaries on Angola by Theo-Ben Gurirab and Randall Robinson; Book Reviews; Classifieds. Pages lightly age-browned due to paper stock used; tiny, narrow corner chip; covers very lightly print-soiled.
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, Sausalito, CA, 1980
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Very Good. 1st Edition. A left-stapled magazine containing 88 internal pages. Special Issue on Africa: New Societies. The contents are: Development and Dependency in the New Revolutionary African States by Landun Anise; New Institutions for Development in Guinea-Bissau by Shirley Washington; Problems of Nation-Building in Mozambique by Mohamed El-Khawas; Facing Social Reconstruction in Zimbabwe by Sylvia Hill; Angola Is Part Of All Of Us by Prexy Nesbitt; Unity for a New Order by Julius K. Nyerere; In Memoriam - Agosinho Neto; The South Africa Nuclear Connection by Stop Banking on Apartheid; Congress on Black Culture in the Americas Meets in Panama by Robert L. Allen; Poet's Corner; Reviews; Contributing Authors; Classifieds. Internal pages lightly age-browned (due to paper stock used).
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, Sausalito, CA, 1978
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Very Good. 1st Edition. The Black Scholar (Volume 10 Number 2, October 1978): Journal of Black Studies and Research. A left-stapled magazine containing 72 internal pages. Special Issue on the Black Urban Community. The contents are: Land of Promise, Cities of Despair: Blacks in Urban America by Robert Staples; Black Studies and Cultural Continuity by C. Eric Lincoln; The Illusion of Black Progress by Robert Hill; lengthy Black Books Roundup Fall, 1978; Open Letter to U.S. President Jimmy Carter from RNA President Imari Abubakari Obadele; Classifieds; Contributing Authors. Covers lightly aged, lightly worn; narrow mailing label to rear cover.
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, Oakland, CA, 2003
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Fine. 1st Edition. Offered is the Fall-Winter 2003 (Vol. 33 Double Number 3 & 4) issue of "The Black Scholar: Journal of Black Studies and Research" edited by Robert L. Allen (as Senior Editor) and published by Editor-in-Chief Robert Chrisman and The Black World Foundation out of Oakland, California (Maize Woodford was the Associate Editor). A left-stapled magazine measuring 7" by 10" and containing 72 internal pages. Special Issue on Affirmative Action: The Rulings on Admissions Policy at the University of Michigan, June 16, 2003. The contents are: Guest Editor's Comment: The Color Line Redefined in the Twenty-first Century in Wake of the Anti-Affirmative Action Suits Against the University of Michigan by Melba Joyce Boyd; Affirmative Action and the Illusion of Racial Equality: "Race Traitors or Fools?" by James S. Jackson; "Horse of a Different Color": The Struggle for Equality at the University of Michigan by Melba Joyce Boyd; The Language of Affirmative Action: History, Public Policy and Liberalism by Curtis Stokes, Bill E. Lawson, and Geneva Smitherman; From Texas to Michigan: Personal Reflections on the Continuing Struggle Over Affirmative Action by Stephen Ward; Hearing New America's Voice by James Valbrun; The Affirmative Action Athlete Dilemma by John Percy Boyd; The Other Michigan Cases by Frank Wu; Affirmative Action and the Politics of Social Reform in a Global Context by Saheed A. Adejumobi; The Attack on Affirmative Action: The "Race Neutral" Excuse by Erin Winkler; African Americans: The Face of Affirmative Action by Millery Polyne; Can Organized Labor Be Renewed Absent the Black Worker? by Bill Fletcher, Jr.; Book Reviews; Books Received; Black Books Roundup; Classifieds; Contributing Authors. Name and mailing address of former owner stamped to rear cover, else in Fine condition.
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, San Francisco, CA, 2006
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Fine. 1st Edition. Offered is the Spring 2006 (Vol. 36 No. 1) issue of "The Black Scholar: Journal of Black Studies and Research" edited by Robert L. Allen (as Senior Editor) and published by Editor-in-Chief Robert Chrisman and The Black World Foundation out of San Francisco, California (Maize Woodford was the Associate Editor). A left-stapled magazine measuring 7" by 10" and containing 72 internal pages. Special Issue on Black Women's Activism: 2006. The contents are: Revolutionary Black Women's Activism: Experience and Transformation by Helen A. Neville and Jennifer F. Hamer; Is You Da One? The Making of an Everyday Political Activist by Imani Bazzell; Interview with Linda Burnham: Voices of Feminism Oral History Project by Loretta J. Ross; From Ordinary to Activist: A Mother's Journey by Karen B. Garrison; Excerpts from a Life Standing at the Well by Jaribu Hill; Black, Radical, Feminist: A Metamorphosis by Jamala Rogers; A Personal Journey from Women's Rights to Civil Rights to Human Rights by Loretta J. Ross; No One is Free While Others are Oppressed: An AfroLezfemcentric Journey by Aishah Shahdidah Simmons; Graphic: "Inequity" by John Jennings; Glossary of Organization in Essays by Authors, Vol. 36 No. 1 by Maize Woodford; Contributing Authors. Small narrow mailing label to rear cover, else Fine.
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, Sausalito, CA, 1975
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Very Good. 1st Edition. The Black Scholar (Volume 7 Number 3, November 1975): Journal of Black Studies and Research. A left-stapled magazine containing 64 internal pages. Special issue on The Crisis of the Cities. The contents are: The City Renewed: White Dream - Black Nightmare? by Lenwood G. Davis and Winston Van Horne; Racism Without Racists: Institutional Racism in Urban Schools by Grace Carroll Massey, Mona Vaughn Scott, and Sanford M. Dornbusch; New York City: Prototype of the Urban Crisis by William W. Sales, Jr.; The Black Scholar Interviews (Arthur Ashe interviewed); Book Reviews and Books Received; Classifieds. Covers lightly worn, lightly rubbed.
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, Oakland, CA, 2001
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Fine. 1st Edition. Offered is the Summer 2001 issue of The Black Scholar: Journal of Black Studies and Research (Vol. 31 No. 2) edited by Robert L. Allen (as Senior Editor) and published by Editor-in-Chief Robert Chrisman and The Black World Foundation out of Oakland, California (Maize Woodford was the Associate Editor). A left-stapled magazine measuring 7" by 10" and containing 64 internal pages. Special Issue on Black Election: 2000. The contents are: U.S. Commission on Civil Rights: Status Report on Probe of Election Practices in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election by Mary Frances Berry; Letter to Governor Bush from Chairperson Mary Frances Berry, March 8, 2001; Why Did the U.S. Media Black Out the Civil Rights Commission Report on the Florida Vote? by Jerry White; Putting Election 2000 in Perspective: A Declaration of War by Hermon George, Jr.; Bushed, Bothered and Bamboozled by Herb Boyd; Civil War 2000 by Charles P. Henry; The Disenfranchisement of the African American Voter in the 2000 Presidential Election: The Silence of the Winner and Loser by Hanes Walton, Jr.; Winter in America: Color, Democracy, and the Presidential Election by Peniel E. Joseph; Criminal Archetypes in the 2000 Presidential Election: How Black Votes Were Stolen by Molefi Kete Asante; The Length of Memory: The Black Population and the Presidential Election of 2000 by David Covin; Permanent American Hegemony: Liberalism, Domination, and the Continuing Crisis of Black Leadership by Ricky L. Jones; "Ten Reasons Why Reparations for Slavery is a Bad Idea for Blacks - and Racist Too" by David Horowitz; Ten Reasons: A Response to David Horowitz by Ernest Allen, Jr. and Robert Chrisman; Books Received; Addresses of Publishers; Classifieds; Contributing Authors. In Fine condition.
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, San Francisco, CA, 2007
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Fine. 1st Edition. Offered is the Fall 2007 (Vol. 37 No. 3) issue of "The Black Scholar: Journal of Black Studies and Research" edited by Robert L. Allen (as Senior Editor) and published by Editor-in-Chief Robert Chrisman and The Black World Foundation out of San Francisco, California (Maize Woodford was the Executive Editor). A left-stapled magazine measuring 7" by 10" and containing 64 internal pages. Special Issue on the Black Social Agenda. The contents are: It's Hard Out Here for a Black Man! by Herb Boyd; A Domestic Marshall Plan to Transform America's "Dark Ghettos": Toward a Martin-Luther King-Malcom X Community Revitalization Initiative by Ron Daniels; Colony Over-the-Rhine by Thomas A. Dutton; The Electoral College: An Idea Whose Time Has Come and Gone by Dewey M. Clayton; C.L.R. James: The Black Jacogin's Strategy: Interview with Professor Gordon Rohlehr of the University of the West Indies, June 15, 2007 by Biko Agozino and Zophia Edwards; In Memoriam: Max Roach (1924-2007) by Larry McShane, AP; Book Reviews; Film Reviews; Books Received; The Black Scholar Black Books Roundup #32; Classifieds; Contributing Authors. Small narrow mailing label to rear cover, else Fine.
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, San Francisco, CA, 2007
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Fine. 1st Edition. Offered is the Spring 2007 (Vol. 37 No. 1) issue of "The Black Scholar: Journal of Black Studies and Research" edited by Robert L. Allen (as Senior Editor) and published by Editor-in-Chief Robert Chrisman and The Black World Foundation out of San Francisco, California (Maize Woodford was the Executive Editor). A left-stapled magazine measuring 7" by 10" and containing 64 internal pages. Special Issue on The Struggle in Zimbabwe. The contents are: The Question of Revolution in the Twenty-first Century: The Case of Zimbabwe by Vernon Damani Johnson; Why Zimbabwe? by Gerald Horne; A Chronicle of Land by Angie Todd; The Zimbabwean Working Peoples and the Land Question by Horace G. Campbell; The Case for Robert Mugabe: Sinner or Sinned Against? by George Shire; African Feminist Perspectives of Post-Coloniality by Patricia McFadden; Zimbabwe: A Quest for Common Ground by Herb Boyd; The Black Scholar Readers Forum on Immigration: African Americans and Immigrants: Shall We Hang Together or Hang Separately? by Gerald Lenoir and Nunu Kidane; Book Reviews; Books Received; Classifieds; Contributing Authors. In Fine condition.
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, San Francisco, CA, 2006
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Fine. 1st Edition. Offered is the Winter 2006 (Vol. 36 No. 4) issue of "The Black Scholar: Journal of Black Studies and Research" edited by Robert L. Allen (as Senior Editor) and published by Editor-in-Chief Robert Chrisman and The Black World Foundation out of San Francisco, California (Maize Woodford was the Associate Editor). A left-stapled magazine measuring 7" by 10" and containing 64 internal pages. Special Issue on Hurricane Katrina. The contents are: Introduction to The Black Scholar Special Issue on Hurricane Katrina: High Tide of a New Racial Formation by Guest Editor Sundiata Keita Cha-jua; The Wretched of the Gulf: Racism, Technological Dramas, and Black Politics of Technology by Rayvon Fouche; Post-Katrina Housing Problems, Policies, and Prospects for African-Americans in New Orleans by Lisa K. Bates; "Bush Doesn't Care About Black People": Race, Class, and Attributions of Responsibility in the Aftermath of Hurricane Katrina by Brendesha Tynes, Carla Hunter, Helen A. Neville, and M. Nicole Coleman; Natural Versus Social Phenomena: Cuba and the Lessons of Katrina by August Nimitz; Katrina 101: A Black Studies Curriculum Challenge by Abdul Alkalimat; Books Received; Classifieds; Contributing Authors. Small narrow mailing label to rear cover, else Fine.
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, Oakland, CA, 2002
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Fine. 1st Edition. A left-stapled magazine containing 64 internal pages. Special Issue on Black America: After 9/11. The contents are: 2002 NAACP Convention Address: George Brown Convention Center, Houston, Texas, July 7, 2002 ("Freedom Under Fire" by Julian Bond); Statement of Congresswoman Barbara Lee on Opposing the Use of Force Resolution; 9/11, Liberation Struggles and International Relations: Sharing the Burden and the Possibilities of the Crisis by Maulana Karenga; "Lest We Forget" by Americans for Middle East Understanding (AMEU); Banned Book Week September 22-29, 2001: Look What They've Done To My Books, Mom! by Daphne Muse; poetry by Jayne Cortez; In Memoriam: June Jordan (1936-2002) by Sally Ann Brunot, Lori M. Evans, Daniela Kocoska, Megan Quinn, and Carla Silva; Into the Academy: The Black Intellectual and White Influence by Henry Vance Davis; The Heart of the Matter: Motherhood and Marriage in the Autobiographies of Maya Angelou by Siphokazi Koyana; Book Reviews; poetry by Murray Jackson; Books Received; In Memoriam: Lee Brown (1921-2002); Letters to the Editor; Classifieds; Contributing Authors.
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, Sausalito, CA, 1980
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Very Good. 1st Edition. A left-stapled magazine containing 96 internal pages. Special Issue on Black Politics 1980. The contents are: Let's Unite to Stamp Out the Klan by Frances M. Beal; Politics and Public Policy Priorities in the 1980s by Margarite R. Barnett and Ndoro Vincent Vera; Black Presidential Politics in 1980: Bargaining or Begging? by Ronald W. Walters; The National Black Political Assembly: Building Independent Black Politics in the 1980s by Ron Daniels; Congressional Black Caucus Opposes Latest Round of Budget Cuts; Perspectives on Human Rights by Chokwe Lumumba; Which Way Forward for the Black Liberation Movement? by Nelson Johnson and Phil Thompson; Racism and the Numbers Game: Black People and the 1980 Census by Gerald McWorter; A Report From a Conference on the Population Undercount by Ronald Bailey; In Memoriam - Robert Hayden; Poet's Corner; Book Reviews; [Ronald V.] Dellums Denounces [Jimmy] Carter Proposals for the Resumption of Draft; Contributing Authors; Classifieds. Internal pages lightly age-browned (due to paper stock used).
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, Oakland, CA, 2001
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Fine. 1st Edition. Offered is the Fall-Winter 2001 (Vol. 31 Double Number 3 & 4) issue of "The Black Scholar: Journal of Black Studies and Research" edited by Robert L. Allen (as Senior Editor) and published by Editor-in-Chief Robert Chrisman and The Black World Foundation out of Oakland, California (Maize Woodford was the Associate Editor). A left-stapled magazine measuring 7" by 10" and containing 84 internal pages. Special Issue on Black Power Studies: A New Scholarship. The contents are: Introduction to Black Power Studies: A New Scholarship - Special Issue of The Black Scholar by Peniel E. Joseph; Black Liberation Without Apology: Reconceptualizing the Black Power Movement by Peniel E. Joseph; The U.S. Organization, Black Power Vanguard Politics, and the United Front Ideal: Los Angeles and Beyond by Scot Brown; "We're tired of being treated like dogs": Poor Women and Power Politics in Black Baltimore by Rhonda Y. Williams; "Scholarship in the Context of Struggle": Activist Intellectuals, the Institute of the Black World (IBW), and the Contours of Black Radicalism by Stephen Ward; No Haven: From Civil Rights to Black Power in New Haven, Connecticut by Yohuru Williams; Book Reviews; Black Scholar Black Books Roundup; Books Received; Addresses of Publishers; Classifieds; Contributing Authors. In Fine condition.
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, Oakland, CA, 1986
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Near Fine. 1st Edition. A left-stapled magazine containing 64 internal pages. Special issue on Blacks and the Law. The contents are: Black America in the 1980s: Rhetoric vs. Reality by Alphine W. Jefferson; The Erosion of Civil Rights Enforcement by Phyllis McClure; Affirmative Action Defended: Exploding the Myths of a Slandered Policy by Carter A. Wilson; Defending Voting Rights in the Alabama Black Belt: Interview with Hank Sanders; Education and the Separate But Equal Doctrine by John P. Muffler; Institutional Reform and the Enforcement of the Fair Housing Laws by Ron C. Claiborne; Blacks and Law Enforcement: Towards Policy Brutality Reduction by H. Bruce Pierce; poetry by Ella Robinson; Book Reviews; Classifieds. Pages lightly age-browned due to paper stock used; narrow mailing label to lower front cover.
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, Oakland, CA, 1986
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Near Fine. 1st Edition. A left-stapled magazine containing 64 internal pages. The contents are: The Writer in a Neocolonial State by Ngugi wa Thiong'o; Cultural Revolution and the African Novel by Juliet I. Okonwo; Class vs. Sex: The Problem of Values in the Modern Nigerian Novel by Rhonda Cobham-Sander; Culture and Resistance in South Africa by Keorapetse Kgositsile; The Black Scholar Black Books Roundup #13; poetry by Isabella P. Matsikidze, Andrew Salkey, and Dennis Brutus; Black Scholar Hosts Reception for ANC-SWAPO Delegates; Alex La Guma: Revolutionary Intellectual by Daniel Garcia Santos; Book Reviews; Classifieds. Interior pages lightly age-browned due to paper stock used; small narrow mailing label to lower edge of front cover.
Language: English
Published by The Black World Foundation, San Francisco, CA, 2005
Seller: Bloomsbury Books, Las Vegas, NV, U.S.A.
Magazine / Periodical First Edition
Magazine. Condition: Fine. 1st Edition. Offered is the Spring 2005 issue of The Black Scholar: Journal of Black Studies and Research (Vol. 35 No. 1) edited by Robert L. Allen (as Senior Editor) and published by Editor-in-Chief Robert Chrisman and The Black World Foundation out of San Francisco, California (Maize Woodford was the Associate Editor). A left-stapled magazine measuring 7" by 10" and containing 64 internal pages. Special Issue on 2005: The Popular Struggle. The contents are: Reassessing the Internal (Neo) Colonialism Theory by Robert L. Allen; Labor Needs a Radical Vision by David Bacon; The White Elephant in the Room: Race and Election 2004 by Bob Wing; Bush's Social Security Plan: Gambling Away the Nest-Egg by Judy Claude; From Conference to Organization: The Challenges of Building the Black Radical Congress by Jamala Rogers; The Freedom Agenda (FA) of the Black Radical Congress (BRC) Ratified by the BRC National Council (NC) April 17, 1999, Baltimore, Maryland by the Black Radical Congress; A Legacy of Struggle: Introduction to Obituary Pages by the Editors; In Memoriam: Shirley Chisholm, Ossie Davis, David Graham Du Bois, James Forman, Joanne Grant; Book Reviews; poetry by Glenngo Allen King; The Black Scholar University Press Expo; Books Received; Classifieds; Contributing Authors. Small narrow mailing label to rear cover, else Fine.